Keep this quote in mind as we launch the 2nd strike against Iraq in response to oil wells being torched:
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“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
…and then put it all together: imminent threat, a warning not to destroy oil fields. What’s really going on here? You be the judge.
(Thanks, Jeanine, for passing this along.)
4 responses so far ↓
1 bit.ch // Mar 20, 2003 at 11:55 pm
A Sad History Lesson
Herman Goering, Hitler\’s Reich-Marshall, at the Nuremberg trials, April 18th 1946
2 Robert Grimes // Mar 28, 2003 at 7:31 am
Are you helping things are hurting them? Do you really think this war is about oil? Do you care about humanity or should the U.S. adopt a policy of isolationism?
Are you protesting the war because you care or just to get some attention and raise some hell? Did you see protests from the 60’s and think, “that looked cool”?
The U.S. stayed out of W.W.II until Japan pulled us in. Had we stayed out, Nazi Germany would be a world power. You do understand that, right? To compare Bush to Hitler is absurd. I think the world will see in the next months that Sadaam had WMD all along.
Wouldn’t you admit that our government doesn’t tell us everything they know? Don’t you think they wouldn’t be hell bent on going to war if they didn’t know there was good reason to?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an advocate for the U.S. being the “World Police”. In fact, I think we should pull all our troops back to U.S. soil, protect our own borders and tell the rest of the world, “go fend for yourselves and leave us alone! You don’t want our involvement, fine! Don’t come running to us when you want us to help with some petty problem you have in BFE!”
But then again, I guess you guys would protest that too.
3 gabe // Mar 28, 2003 at 10:45 am
While I appreciate your comments and attempt to offer a retraction to my initial post, Robert, I must respectfully ask what your point is.
Do you honestly believe that I and others who share my feelings toward this inappropriate war do so “to get some attention and raise some hell”? Sure, man, because I don’t have anything better to do with my time.
Yes, I do believe this war is about oil and money. Have you read this paper?
The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War in Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth, by W. Clark, 1/26/03
Maybe you should. Maybe you should also stop believing what the popular media tell you and do some research about what’s really going on with this war.
Have you heard of the Project for the New American Century? Check it out:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
It’s a really scary group of which Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz are members, among others. This group is driving the course of action that the U.S. is now taking in Iraq — and they’ve been planning this for years, as far back as 1998. From their Statement of Principles:
“Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.”
This is scary shit. With that in mind, I will refer you once again to my original post with the Herman Goering quote. Can you honestly tell me that this is not what’s going on today?
You also misinterpreted my point. I was not comparing Bush to Hitler; I was simply pointing out the scary fact that Bush and his administration know the same thing that Hitler and his men did (and understand how to manipulate the masses). As Hitler once said, “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” I must sadly agree. The majority of the American people do not think. They accept the bullshit crammed down their throats by the government and mass media. It’s depressing that so many people are standing by and letting this war happen.
4 Dave Reed // Mar 29, 2003 at 11:00 am
Well, Robert’s initial ad hominem attacks immediately invalidate his position. You will never convince anyone of anything if you start off by such tactics. Putting someone on the defensive will _always_ make them shut their mind off to you.
As to Saddam having WMD: how can we trust that, if the U.S. forces were to find such things, that they were truly there by Saddam’s hands? I’m not saying they won’t, but the U.S. has been known to jury-rig situations to their favor in rather immoral modes (I believe the Spanish-American War is one instance). So, using that, asking if we believe that the U.S. government doesn’t tell us everything they know should certainly bring _any_ findings into question.
Regarding the “world police” segment: you advocate the removal of the U.S. as being the “World Police”, but I gather that you’re firmly for this war. Huh? Our government’s actions around the world is what fuels the negative feelings foreigners have of the U.S. This includes the Saddam regime. We were not asked to intervene, and we do not have any sort of tangible threat from his regime at all. We simply do not belong there, based on the concept that we should not be the World Police.
Nothing is black and white, especially when it comes to politics (and I’ll admit that the points I made have some very grey aspects close to them, too).